Rap, Video Games and Mike Tyson

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I had the pleasure of sitting down over beers with my friend and fellow nerd, Tray $tarks, and Hydeff, a man I just met. We talked about rap, video games, Mike Tyson and their upcoming debut Hip-hop release as the duo Far Out. I’ll warn you ahead of time that the language in this interview was not PG.

Interviewer’s note: We walk into Allen’s bar and grill on the Danforth in Toronto. Immediately I’m struck by how fancy the place is and many senior citizens there are in this bar. Did we choose the right location for our interview? Will they be ok with us having our interview here? They don’t even serve pitchers! For the first ten minutes we try to figure out the menu and if they even served fries.  It’s very confusing. All we know is you can get chicken with “phuket sauce”. We have a lot of questions. Eventually we get our food and beer sorted and get down to business. We’re all nervous and it shows. This is the first time any of us have done an interview of this length.


F: So I know who you guys are. I’ve known Tray for a long time. Tell the reader who Far Out is.

T: Hey guys. We’re Far Out.

H: I’m Hydeff. H-Y-D-E-F-F.

T: I’m Tray. T-R-A-Y. Like a lunch tray. Then dollar sign… tarks. That’s us man, we do what we do. We have fun with it.

H: Get faded and write rhymes.


F: What do you do?

H: Absolutely nothing.

T: A lot. Haha.

H: We save the world day by day. That’s it. We finesse and finagle words.


F: Because we are a nerd site, I have to ask you; what kind of nerds are you? How would you describe yourself?

H: Aaaaaahh. Hmmm. The stoner kind. Smoke weed and watch Star Wars.

T: ****. I dibble and dabble in everything. I’m a universal nerd I guess.

H: All purpose nerds! Video games, movies, cartoons. All that stuff.


F: I know Tray from back in the day at school for graphic design. How are you rapping now?

T: You know what? This guy over here. My right hand man. I was just chilling. Just going through life. And one day he had a beat and was like. “Just try it. Just try it man.”

H: What happened was, I’ve been rapping for a minute. Well not pursuing it, but ever since high school that’s been my thing. Tray started jumping in and doing a little free-styling. And he started getting good. So I was like Hold up. So I decided, you know what, why don’t we try some rap ****. So I started taking it more seriously. It started sounding real good. So I told Tray to jump on it.

T: So I was like let me try something. I came back in a couple days and we recorded it. It ended up being Dopamine.

F: Damn. That’s a pretty good track for you first time.

H: Then he started coming up with Teddy Ruxpin and I was like let him roll with it. It ended up being his first solo and people liked it. It was well received.




F: I’ve heard the hardest thing to do when starting out is to find a beat. How do you come up with so many?

H: We totally listen to weird instrumental albums. Both of us are just on the Internet hunting for beats. We’re looking for weird, trippy ambient instrumental albums and ****.

F: One of your older tracks, Ayahuasca, is a great example that. That’s my favourite track.



H: Yeah. Everyone likes that one.

T: That one’s heavy yo.

F: I love the strings intro. When I’m listening to it I’m just picturing Akuma.




H: Akuma?! Sick. Ayahuasca is actually a drug. You have to go into the Amazon jungle and a shaman mixes you a dish. You throw up and end up having the craziest trip of your life. It apparently makes people quit heroine and cigarettes and all types of ****. It’s a life changing experience. I was like, Okay this is tight.

F: Have you done it?

H: Naw.

F: Are you going to?

H: If my pockets will let me. You know what I’m saying? I don’t want to do it up here. I’d want to go there and have that experience in the jungle. There are actual retreats for it. If I had an opportunity to, and took some time off to do that ****. Hell Yeah I’d do it. Hell yeah. But I’ve got demons. That’d be scary.


F: Tell me about the album… or the tape… collaboration.

T: We like calling it an audio project. Haha.

H: Audio trip

F: There you go.

H: The nerds will definitely like this one. There’s a lot of 8-bit.

T: It’s different from all of the stuff you’re hearing from us today ‘cause we’re just coming with our own sound.

F: I didn’t even know you were doing the 8-bit and 16-bit stuff. You’re helping me out here. It’s not too much of a reach to put you guys on this site. Haha. It makes sense with Tray and I, only talking about games while we were at school.

T: Yeeeees Sir!

H: As a matter of fact, some of 8-bit stuff that we didn’t put on it. Like Spy Hunter and all that. We didn’t put none of that. We might just release it.

T: One offs or whatever.


F: What are the challenges that you guys have had while making this… audio experience?

T: The sound. I’m grateful to have him with me. Cause like, I will record something and I think it sounds good. But then he’ll be like “Naw man, you need to attack it like this. Come with more confidence”.

H: Vice Versa. It’s always nice to have a second pair of ears. There are certain songs where you might have just been excited to rap and it came off like that in the song. But the beat really didn’t call for all that energy you know? So tone that **** down a little. Or Vice Versa.

F: You’ve got a really laid back flow.

H: But in the new stuff it kind of turns up. We’re totally throwing everybody off with the new stuff.

F: Tray brought your energy up when you guys started collaborating.

H: You’ll see him come down or me come up. On Nice To Meet You it’s him coming down.


F: A lot of my favourite hip-hop albums these days are the ones that are low-key. Even Drake’s newest tape is low-key.

T: ‘Deff was telling me that new Earl (Sweatshirt) album is crazy.

F: I love it. I love it.

H: Let’s just play it right now. Haha.





F: The best albums are all low-key with crazy layered instrumentals: Captain Murphy, MF Doom.




H: These are the names that matter in my head. I don’t listen to Drake, as hard as it is to believe.

F: I said it in another article; other nerd rap sucks. That’s the nerd rap I like.

H: Madvillain.

F: One of the top two greatest hip-hop albums of all time.

H: Accordian.

F: One of the best songs of all time.

H: Do your Google’s people.



F: What would you say are the misconceptions that people have about rappers?

 H: That they’re stupid.

T: That we’re stupid and ignorant man.

H: What people don’t understand is that I could talk about deep stuff all day, but who’s really going to listen to that? You know what I’m saying? You don’t want to end up in that pocket of, Oh your conscious, or some stupid **** like that. You’ve got to have a balance.


F: The best person for keeping the listeners on their toes with his humour is Action Bronson.

T: Another great instrumental album.

H: Everyone is going off with the instrumentals now. Our joint is coming out at a good time.




F: It’s been a great year.

H: Kenrick Lamar’s **** is heavy.




F: That album transcends, man.

T: Haha. I was just looking for the word.

F: Hmm. What word can I drop that sounds smart?

H: He totally made that album for all of his O.G.’s. He didn’t make that for our age group. It’s the most soulful ****…

…Earl Sweatshirt gives you what you need. Action Bronson gives you the comedy. Kendrick, he’s going to stroke your soul for a little bit. He’s gunna touch it, massage it.

F: It’s a very sad album.

H: Very sad. And very racial, very black. He’s definitely King Kunta on this one.




F: Do you guys have a special process that you guys go through when you write your music?

T: Get high as ****.

H: Get high, play video games and instrumental meditation.

T: Never listen to music with words when you are working. Flying Lotus is great. Flying Lotus rules my life. I was the happiest man alive. I was the saddest man alive… the most confused.

H: It’s actually the music we were listening to when we came together musically. The thing is me and this guy, we go back hella far. This isn’t a new thing. I’ve had many attempts at this rap stuff and they were all failed attempts. With random other dudes that I don’t really rock with. So eventually I was like, my man’s is right here. Why am I wasting my time with these other people?



F: Who is this album for?

H: Nerds, gangsters and drug users.

T: I Personally dedicate this tape to Drederick Tatum. He told me (in Tatum’s voice) Hey guys I heard you guys were putting out a tape and I want it to be hard as ****. So I was like, all right.

F: Are you feeling his cartoon?

Interviewer’s note: I realize at this time that I mixed up Mike Tyson and Drederick Tatum. Just go with it.

 H: Yes! Mike Tyson’s my dad.

F: You guys should sample his show.

H: I would sample him for sure. But I’m afraid he’d knock me out.


F: Tell us about Unlkly, the design arm of your brand.

T: It’s the multimedia plug man. Anything visual is Unlkly. Anything audio is Far Out.

H: Unlkly is the clothes, design and videos. It’s the umbrella company…

…Unlkly is like Pepsi, with Doritios. It’s a separate thing, but still a Pepsi company.




F: Hydeff, you said something interesting on twitter about “Toronto Rappers”.

Interviewer’s note: When I ask him this question he leans back in his set and let’s out a big sigh. He gives me a look as if to say “you saw that?”

H: The tweet was like… I was a little angry. Well I wasn’t angry. I just cuss a lot.

F: You sounded a little angry. It was three tweets. You had something to get off your chest.

H: I was discussing Toronto rappers with someone. I ain’t no fucking Toronto rapper. That sounds so limited. You know what I’m saying? It sounds like you’re rapping for Toronto. Not really. It’s for the world. Toronto catches on and that’s nice. But it’s not my goal. I’m not the guy who’s rapping for Jane and Finch. I’m not the guy who’s rapping for Malvern…

…We’ve done about fifty songs and I’ve never said the word Toronto once. But I’ll reference little things like, I’m from a cold city. You know what I’m saying? I’m from the Ice box.

…That ***** so corny, yo. I’m telling you right now. Nobody from Brooklyn wants to hear that ****. Nobody from Compton wants to hear that ****. Nobody from Cali…

F: Do you think people raise their eyebrows at Drake?

H: Drake didn’t mention Toronto until he blew up. Drake blew up and then he did 3AM in Toronto. You know what I’m saying? And I plan to do the same. I’ll big up my city when I have something on my back to big it up with…

…It’s why people say New York rap fell off. If your constantly repping your city you become a New York rapper instead of a rapper from New York…

To be on Torontorappers.com would be cool and all. But that’s not what aspire to be. I don’t even aspire to be on Worldstar.com, dog. I don’t give a **** about none of that ****. Just listen to my ****, bro, and feel me. You know what I’m saying…

…I love Toronto to the max, but I feel no need to scream constantly where I’m from…

…There are mans screaming Toronto all day long and haven’t even been on the streetcar twice. That’s some insecure ****…

…It’s like you have something to prove. I’ve got nothing to prove. I’m just a rapper. I put me first. It’s not about doing it for Toronto. Sure that’s cool but I’m doing it for ‘Deff yo. I’m doing for $tarks. I’m doing it for Far Out.

F: I told you you were passionate about it.

H: Cause yo… Yeah a little bit. Haha

F: I got you.

H: A little bit. Damn. Haha. I gotta learn how to finagle interviews. That was a real-ass interview question right there.


F: What artists are you most excited to hear new music from?

H: Jay Electronica… Jay Electronica…

T: (gasp)

F: For the reader out there Jay Electronica has been putting out an album for almost a decade. He’s the Final Fantasy XV, Last Guardian, vapor-ware of the hip-hop world.

 T: He really is.


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Will we ever see these things?


F: He released a fifteen-minute track about the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and was never heard from again.

H: Mos Def is another one too.


F: You guys have a show at Lee’s Palace. An event. Tell people about it.

Interviewer’s note: When I did this interview the show was in a few weeks. I apologize for the late notice.




T: It’s gunna be tight. Shout out to the homies Mega Powers. They niced us on that one.

H: We’re headlining.

F: If someone want’s to come an check you guys out, when do you guys go on?

H: Doors open at 9.

F: Haha. Good answer.

T: You just be there and you wait.

H: Everything we’re doing that night is new. We’re not doing nothing old. So you’re totally getting a sneak peak.

F: So this is how you hear the new ****. Cause I know you guys have been holding your cards pretty tight. I asked Tray about it and you were like…

T: No one’s heard the new ****! Haha.

Interviewer’s note: Tray get’s so excited when he says this he jumps out of his seat.

H: It’s gunna be the same type of wave. It’ll sound like some Far Out ****, but totally… the energy is different.


F: Have you guys ever had a bad crowd?

H: Not really. There was a time I was opening up for a play. It was all old white folk and stuff in the crowd. But you just gotta pick your songs. If you know your gunna have a different crowd you don’t pick you turnt up most trappinest songs. Let me come with the ones with the jazz samples and the piano.

T: Think about the ones that have the most substance.

H: We give you enough that you gotta feel something. If you’re a boom-bap head, we got that. If you’re a lyrical person, we got that. If you’re into catchy ****, we got that. If you’re into trippy druggy ****, we got that. If you’re into positive Common ****, we got that. You couldn’t put us in a box. That’s why we are Far Out.

T: Far Out the Box.

H: That was the original name.


Interviewer’s note: At this point we were told to leave because they have an early last call. These fancy bars, man. We end up going to the scummiest bar I’ve ever seen to continue what we think is a pretty fine interview. 


F: You guys love to rep nerd culture. Whether it’s Street Fighter and WWE references in your lyrics or the Mario inspired design for your latest single. Tell us about your nerdy influences.

T: Where can I even start, man. From the 90’s.

H: I was born in the 80’s and raised in the 90’s man. I’ve seen the whole video game evolution. When I came up I had an NES. Not a SNES.



T: (pretends to blow on a cartridge)

H: Blow on it. Stick it in, click it down.


F: What was your first game?

 H: Mario with Duckhunt. But that’s cliché. Do you remember Kung Fu? It was a Nintendo-ass game. Just kick up mans.




T: Streets of Rage basically?

H: Yeah. But ******.

T: My man and I right here sat down and beat that **** the other night.

F: Streets of Rage?

T: Yeah, man.




H: I got the Sega Genesis Collection for PS3: Golden Axe, Altered Beast, Kid Chameleon. A lot of those games I had when I was a kid. I had an uncle who worked for Sega and ****. I was one of the testers for a lot of the Sega games.

F: You were one of those people that our parents joked about when they talked about us wanting to be game testers when we grew up.

 H: I just thought I was getting games! I remember going to Sega conventions and ****. They would put you in a little booth with all the games.

T: You were blessed.

H: I was just a little homie with the braids walking around the convention playing video games. Are you Sega Genesis or are you Super Nintendo?

F: That’s my next question!

H: I’m Young Black Box. I’m going Sega Genesis. 16-bit yo. I know Super Nintendo had a better bits system but it wasn’t making use of the colours like Genesis.

T: That’s the one place I’ll give it to you. Making mans look amazing.

H: Can you not see how vibrant Sonic was?

F: Fight for our system Tray!

H: I’m going to end this conversation right now. Sega Genesis had Streets of Rage 2. Super Nintendo didn’t.

T: Nintendo had Super Metroid.

H: You’re right.

T: Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, and 3. I can’t front though, I played a lot of Streets of Rage.

H: Sega Genesis was the first system to give you a black character with a snap back turned backwards and denim shorts, bro. You can’t go wrong there. Nintendo did have Battle Toads though…

…I will also give them that the had the ‘L’ and ‘R’ buttons early in the game.


F: The new Mortal Kombat game; what do you guys think?

T: I was actually just looking at it!

H: I haven’t even seen it.

T: Yo it looks crazy bro! Think about it. It’s on next gen.

H: Does it have the multiple plains?

T: No not this one.

H: What was that? Deadly Alliance?

T: Yeah deadly Alliance. Where you could sidestep. That’s ****** up man. How am I supposed to freeze you when you side step?

F: You guys have to watch the video of Marshawn Lynch and Gronchowski playing the games with Conan. It’s funniest thing.



H: Conan! I have to watch the video. Conan’s a real mother ******.

T: I just found out Conan used to write for the Simpsons. In the early seasons.

H: The good ones! No wonder Conan just shot up in the ranks like that. I’ll have to Google that. I have to check Conan’s wiki.


F: If you could pick any character from nerd culture to have a rap battle with who would it be?

H: Skate from Streets of Rage 2. He looks like he got bars.

T: Sean from Street Fighter.

H: Balrog. **** that. M Bison got bars! And I don’t mean M Bison, the regular M Bison. I mean M Bison, the Balrog M Bison, before the switched his name. Michael Bison.

F: I don’t remember Michael Bison.

H: Michael Bison was Balrog’s original name before the got hit with some **** from Mike Tyson… …That dude made you respect your jaw…

F: There would be now Steve Fox from Tekken without Balrog.




F: Who would you want in an all video game cypher?

H: Everybody we just mentioned. And Raiden, yo. He would kick knowledge yo.

F: He would come with the spiritual ****. He would come in from a lightning bolt.


F: Tell our fellow nerds what they need to be listening to.

H: ****** everything that’s Far Out, bro.

T: You need to enter the void that is Far Out.

H: It F-O or F-O. It’s Far Out or **** off man. Haha

T: Good luck on your fight… **** off.

Interviewer’s note: Tray does this in his Mike Tyson voice. Or was it Drederick Tatum? I don’t even know anymore. I also heard a bit of the new stuff and it is great. Some of the beats sound like they are ripped right out of the NES.


F: What game should they be playing when they are listening to Far Out?

H: GTA 5 or Watch Dogs digital trips… Streets of Rage 2.

T: Yo hold up. You know what you need to be playing? Some Newgrounds games.


F: It’s last call and we need to leave. What advice do you have for aspiring rappers?

H: Be original. Totally be original.

T: Everybody sounds like their from Chicago or they sound like Future.

H: Everyone is putting wack-ass auto-tunes in the wrong key on random trap beats and calling it a banger…

…I can’t wait for people to hear our new ****…

T: It’s going to be refreshing.

H: I don’t know if it’s going to be refreshing. But it will confuse the **** out of you. It’ll make you feel ways. At least it’ll invoke those emotions instead of feeling like, well I feel like shooting somebody right now…

… Be conceptual. Tell a story. People don’t do that no more. Everybody just does eighteen tracks of stunt’n. Making other people feel like **** because they don’t have what you have….

…We ain’t got none of that. Dog, I’m not no better than anybody. We’re the same. We’re human beings just like you.

T: Well maybe there will be one or two.

H: Unfortunately there is a big population of people who like that ****. So we gotta cater them to. You know what I’m saying?


Interviewer’s note: All three of us clearly had a good time making this interview. We can only hope you had a good time reading it. Please keep an eye out for Far Out. It won’t be long now until their audio trip drops. Until then you can check out their music at https://soundcloud.com/iamhydefinition

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